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Couples Finances: Should They Be Separate Or Joint?

BLUF: There’s no one sized fits all advice for whether you should combine your finances or keep them separate. What’s important is that the couple trusts each other, is aligned on their long term financial goals and have a plan to manage the day to day money. If you get that right I don’t think it matters if you merge your accounts or keep them separate.

For better or worse, money is a large part of life. A lot of our time and energy is spent working jobs to make money and then spending it in some way to live. It’s a source of emotions in our lives. Stress when we don’t have money and gratitude and happiness when we have enough to be free to do as we’d like.

Many of us want to share our lives with another person through some form of a relationship. Only naturally then, at some point during your life, there’s probably going to be a crossroads where your life is going to be combined with another persons in a relationship. But what about the money?

Relationship Finance Decisions

There are many decisions to be made when joining two peoples lives together and one common source of stress and potential conflict is how their financial lives should work as a couple. It’s not surprising as there are a lot of decisions to make and questions to answer:

  • Should you combine all your bank accounts?
  • Should you have a common checking account that all paychecks go into?
  • How do you split responsibility for paying the bills? 50/50?
  • Does each person get their “own” money? If so, how much?
  • When do you have to ask for permission to spend money?

I come at this topic from a unique perspective because Mrs. MFI and I actually have ZERO shared accounts even though we’re married. Some would call that crazy and not the way that a married couple should handle their finances. I would challenge that idea and say that there’s no one size fits all approach to making a couples finances work.

This article is going to explore this topic of finances in a relationship. I’ll talk about how Mrs. MFI and I make ours work and walk through a framework for thinking through how to make things work best for you in your own relationship.

Our Story: For Richer or Poorer, Our Finances are Apart

It’s by pure coincidence that I happen to be writing an article about combining financial lives around our wedding anniversary. Mrs. MFI and I started dating in our early 30’s and were married around 35 years old so we had fairly established financial lives as individuals at that point. I was divorced at 30 and had gotten used to paying for a house and everything in my financial life on my own. Mrs. MFI had her own apartment, job and savings when we started dating. As a product of her upbringing she’s always been quite frugal and saver.

Mrs. MFI eventually moved into my house which naturally brought up the conversation of splitting bills, what she should pay and it should be paid. There’s an important variable in this equation though. I make a lot more money than Mrs. MFI. Probably 2.5x as much as her at the time. All the bills were in my name and I was on top of the bills so she would write me a check for about 1/3 of the household bills and I paid the other 2/3rds.

A Strategic Decision To Maximize Our Savings

My mom dying, our marriage and Mrs. MFI’s strong saving habits really pushed me to start saving more and got us talking about the right choices for our future. I was geeking out more with personal finance which included learning more about retirement accounts, investing, compounding and tax optimization.

After learning more about the benefits of a 401k, Roth’s and HSA’s we decided that it should be a goal to try and max out all of these accounts. There was a catch though. For Mrs. MFI to do that it would be about 60% of her gross income! She’s quite frugal but it wouldn’t have been possible (or reasonable) for her to do that while paying 1/3 of the household bills let alone other personal expenses like car insurance, gas, vacations, etc. We were making $150k together at this point so there was substantial tax savings to be had by maxing out those pre-tax buckets.

We made the team decision that to reach our long term goals, I would take on all of the household expenses, gas, insurance…etc. Basically everything short of Mrs. MFI’s personal spending and gift giving. After that our accounts and responsibilities looked like this:

Mrs. MFI being an independent person had a really tough time with this. She felt like a mooch at first and maybe a little bit to this day.

However, this move has really accelerated our retirement savings and saved us a ton in taxes from the 22% tax bracket. $19,500 for each 401k * 2 and $3,600 * 2 for each HSA. Saved us ((19,500 * 2) + ($3,600 * 2)) = $46,200/year. At the 22% tax bracket if we took that as income and just saved it in a brokerage account we would pay $10,164/yr in federal tax on that money and only be putting in $36,036 ($46,200 – $10,164).

Our Split Finances Continue

From there on out it made even less sense to get a joint account. I’m on top of the bills paying everything that is our living expenses and Mrs. MFI is basically saving and investing 90% of her gross pay. Sure, we could both dump our paychecks into a joint checking account but it wouldn’t buy us anything at this point. Our system works and we trust that each of us are doing our part to work towards are larger savings goal of FI.

Our brokerage account is the one account that has a mix of money that we have both contributed towards and that will eventually get turned into a joint account. That’s just a paperwork change at this point.

Mrs. MFI is an authorized user on my Amex Cash Preferred that we use for 6% back on groceries and 3% back on gas as well as my Citi DoubleCash. That lets her easily charge normal household spending to those cards which I manage and pay.

A Framework for Relationship Finances

In figuring out what works for us I’ve realized that what works for each couple is going to be different. Each individuals money behaviors and mindsets are a complex mix of the world that we grew up in, what our parents taught us and the financial experiences that we’ve had along that way.

All of those things make each individual person have a unique perspective on money management. By extension each couple is going to need to figure out the individual approach that works for their team of two.

To help you come up with a system that works for your household here’s a framework of questions to walk through to help figure this out for yourself. This helps to ensure that you have a plan for the role that each person will play, how you will manage the day to day expenses and how all of that contributes to your long term goals.

  1. Understand each persons long term goals.

It’s important to talk through what each partners long term goals are so that you can figure out a plan that will work for both people. If one person wants to retire early and the other person wants to live for the day spending everything then there’s going to be a lot of financially induced conflict in the relationship.

Talk through the specifics of what each person wants and any goals that they have. What does your dream life look like? If you think you want to travel the world being nomadic then you may make very different decisions along the way than if you want to buy a huge house near your kids and have all the grandkids come over.

Having a long term goal gives you a north star to guide your decisions and keep you tracking to something. It can certainly change over time, but you need to work towards something.

  1. Discuss how each persons spending wants and wishes

Every person is going to have certain things that they like to spend their money on. Some people like horses. Some people like fast or fancy cars. Some people like elaborate vacations and travel. Some people like fancy clothes, jewelry or watches. Some people love personal care treatments like skincare, hair, nails or massages.

As the Afford Anything podcasts says, you can afford anything but not everything. For items that are major cost drivers in the budget each person needs to be able to put their desires on the table so that you can come up with a line in the budget for it.

  1. Understand each persons strengths and weaknesses and figure out your money roles

Both people have a vested interest in the finances of a relationship. However, not everyone is good at the different skills required to track spending, pay bills on time and get money invested.

See if one person is more suited for one or multiple of these roles. If one person is already good at it and wants to do and the other doesn’t then it’s an easy decision. If you want to split the role that’s fine too but often one person likes to take the lead.

  1. Keep accounts separate or have joint accounts?

Most will come into a relationship with their own checking and savings accounts at a minimum so you need to discuss if you’re going to have separate accounts or join them. The main place to start is with a checking account as you need to decide if you want all bills paid from one joint account, completely separate accounts or some hybrid.

If you aren’t sure where to start, begin with something easy and talk through how it would work. If you opened up a joint checking how much of each persons paycheck would go in there per paycheck? What expenses will be paid from that account?

  1. Create a plan for how things will work day to day, week to week. Talk through it in detail!

It’s really important to have a common understanding of how the finances are going to work on a day to day and week to week basis. How much of each persons paycheck will be put towards the household bills? Will each person be expected to save a certain amount? Does each person get their own spending budget of money that they can do whatever they want with no permission required? Is their a dollar amount for a purchase where the couple is expected to discuss it before the purchase is made?

  1. Give things a try!

Don’t spend forever agonizing over each detail only to never really get started. It’s okay to not get a perfect understanding of how things will work at the beginning but be prepared to track your spending and talk through and questions that come up regarding spending that the other person has.

The faster you can come up with a system that works for both people, the faster that you will have a system that just happens so each person knows what to expect. Jumping in and getting started will expose any holes in the plan. Predictability = efficiency and conflict avoidance.

  1. Make a plan to meet regularly to talk about what’s working, what’s not.

It’s important to meet regularly, probably weekly at first, to review the spending and how the system is working. That gives each person an opportunity to see how things are going and discuss any issues. As you find a groove you can meet less often but I’d recommend at least quarterly.

  1. If something isn’t working, make a change and repeat.

Plans are great but they’re just a starting point. Don’t be married to a plan no matter how much work went into it. If something isn’t working anymore, sit down and figure out how to change it!

The Framework – Applied to Our Situation

I think it’s helpful to see an example of the framework in action so here it is applied to Mrs. MFI and I.

  1. Understand each persons long term goals.

Fortunately Mrs. MFI and I are on the same page that FI so that we have security and the option to leave our office jobs and travel is very important to us. We both love to travel so we’re working towards some period of time to try out nomadic living and see where we might want to live more permanently someday. Upstate NY has a lot of snow and not much sunshine so we’d like to move away from that. Oh, and the awful taxes (we pay $5,600/yr in taxes on a $150,000 house).

Because of that FI and nomadic goal we’re downsizing a lot of our stuff and being very careful about what we buy. Fortunately we’re not that materialistic anymore so that isn’t a huge challenge.

  1. Discuss how each persons spending wants and wishes

The largest line item of spending for us both is travel. We budget about $6,000 a year for vacation. Our entertainment budget is about $3,600 a year and it’s mostly stuff that we do together. I enjoy spending money on fitness related events like running races and the shoes that go with them. Mrs. MFI spends money on craft related things.

  1. Understand each persons strengths and weaknesses and figure out your money roles

It’s probably not a huge surprise that the guy writing the personal finance blog is taking the lead on the household finances. I’m the CFO and Mrs. MFI is chairman of the board in our two person company. What does that mean? She has oversight of the budget, the spending and how we’re doing to plan and I’m the one making it happen. I track the spending using YNAB, budget with YNAB, calculate our FI number and leads our travel rewards efforts.

  1. Keep accounts separate or have joint accounts?

As previously mentioned, we have basically separate everything for our accounts. But each person knows about all of the accounts and can see what’s in them whenever they want. There are no hidden accounts.

  1. Create a plan for how things will work day to day, week to week. Talk through it in detail!

Each of our paychecks go into our individual checking accounts. I handle all of the household bills from my checking account and use YNAB to manage the spending and budgeting every two weeks. I also pay our credit cards that are used for the household expenses every two weeks. We have a single account travel fund that all travel expenses come from.

We each have savings accounts that make up the more liquid portion of our emergency fund although most of it is invested in our brokerage account. You can read about my 3 tier emergency fund here.

If either of us are going to spend more than $100 on something we talk to the other person about the purchase unless it’s a gift.

Action Steps:

  1. Walk through the framework with your partner and answer each question. If there’s disagreement – great! Get it out on the table and figure out a compromise. Better to figure out the issues early on.
  2. Meet regularly and check in with each other. How is it going? It’s critical that you’re honest with each other if something isn’t working.
  3. If something isn’t working, make a change! Life changes. People change. Your plan and systems are going to need to change based on the season of your life. Don’t resist change, embrace it.

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Downsizing Our Life at 40: Playing with Minimalism

BLUF: The researching, acquiring, maintaining and disposing of stuff that wasn’t making us happier wasted valuable time and money. In becoming intentional with our spending and downsizing our stuff we’ve simplified our lives, taken back time and sped up our path to FI.

It feels really strange to think that at 40 years old we may have hit the peak of our accumulating things. It goes against the grain of everything in our consumerist US culture. The blueprint for the classic American dream is something along the lines of:

  • Buy a new car
  • Buy a house
  • Fill house with stuff
  • Upgrade your cars
  • Get a bigger house
  • Upgrade your stuff inside the house
  • Buy a vacation house
  • And on, and on, and on.

Always reaching for more stuff. However, a combination of learning about these people called minimalists, learning about FI principles and the 2020 pandemic really started to shift our mindset about what our American dream looked like.

A Change In Perspective

2020 really was an interesting year in the ManagingFI household. You see, I found the concept of FI at the end of 2019 and I dove down the rabbit hole of podcasts, YouTube videos and blog posts.

This video from Mr. Money Mustache was one of the most influential in making me step back and think about stuff and what would make me happy. It’s also the first video that I showed to Mrs. MFI about FI to help try to explain to her this “financial independence” craze that her husband was now obsessed with learning about.

In true MMM style it was an over the top PowerPoint showing how ridiculous the pursuit of more can be if you just keep scaling it up. This point hilariously shown below by illustrating that if a mansion, Benz, Bentley and butler makes you happy then even more of each will obviously make you happier!

Credit Mr. Money Mustache from his World Domination Forum talk

Somewhere along the way I came across the concept of minimalism as well since some people simplify their lives massively to reduce expenses and reach FI.

A Vision of Our Future and Stuff

In the process of being exposed to all these different concepts and points of view I was starting to form a few different hypotheses:

  1. We don’t know where we want to retire to but know that it isn’t NY (the tax state). We should travel around and try living in different places when we’re FI.
  2. Spending money on stuff wasn’t making me happier and would make FI harder to reach.
  3. The researching, acquiring, maintaining and disposing of the same stuff that wasn’t making me happier takes up my time.

The idea of traveling around and living different places evolved over time. We’ve always loved to travel and in 2017 Mrs. MFI and I took a 2,000 mile RV road trip across the southwest in this sweet, sweet ride.

C19 - Compact RV - Cruise America

It was our first RV experience and it planted the seed that this method of exploration could be for us since we expect to have a dog. By 2019 that seed of future nomadic living via RV life was starting to grow. Mrs. MFI was getting more onboard and interested in the idea and we took a look at what was out there for RVs. We found out that you can spend a lot of money on an RV and get one that’s even fancier than our house.

I should point out that this nomadic vision is still many years off in our mind at this point since we didn’t really know what was possible for FI or early retirement. I was tracking our spending to some degree but I hadn’t learned about the 4% rule or figured out what our FI number was. We just knew that downsizing and hitting the road in some form was something of interest in the future. That was our general direction.

Questioning “The Stuff”

I’m not quite sure where I would fall on the scale between minimalist and …maximalist? when it comes to stuff. Mrs. MFI is pretty simple in her needs and has never been much of a shopper. I was never shy about spending money but I generally dislike clutter.

I’m not one to waste a lot of money on decorations, clothes or furniture but I did buy quite a few technology items and gadgets along the way. The most absurd example of this along the way was probably this 50″ plasma TV. I bought this on sale during black Friday in 2005 for $2,000. Yeah, absurd. On the plus side I still have that TV along with a ham of a dog 🤣.

During the 2020 pandemic as we were stuck inside I started to realize that the things around me were often not adding value to my life. On the contrary, many of these things were causing me to spend my precious life researching, buying, maintaining and eventually disposing of them.

Things like this DeWalt table saw. Purchased brand new for $500 and probably used 5 total times as you can see by the fact that it still looks brand new. How many hours did I spend researching which one to buy and where to buy it? How much time did I spend buying it, getting it home and putting it together? How many hours of work did I do to pay for it? All of that for it to spend 99% of it’s life sitting on the shelf in my garage. What a waste.

The Corvette

Over the years I had become a “car guy” enjoying autocross, drag racing and speed in general. I had a motorcycle for many years and after selling it I was itching for something fun. We were saving a fair amount of money at the time but pre-FI we didn’t have a goal with our money so buying this wasn’t an issue. I found a great 2009 C6 Corvette in New Jersey and drove down, bought it with cash and drove it back in one epic day.

I loved the car. It was a 6-speed manual with 430hp of head turning, pin you into your seat with acceleration, adrenaline inducing fun. It was a beautiful looking car that I probably bought as much for the “look what I have / look at me” factor as I did for the performance.

The corvette came into focus in 2020 as one thing that I both loved and hated at the same time. I was working from home 90%+ of the time so I was hardly driving period, let alone the Corvette. Mrs. MFI is not a flashy person and felt uncomfortable in it so we often didn’t take it together. If I wasn’t sure of the safety of the area that we were going to or I didn’t know the parking situation I wouldn’t take it for fear of scratches, dings or vandalism. Having 3 cars means 50% more inspections, oil changes, repairs, tires, brakes and car insurance premiums. I was fortunate to have a big enough garage to store it during the harsh NY winters but I had to play a game of car Tetris every spring and fall to do it.

The final straw was probably in the summer of 2020. I just got the car back from the shop and they forgot to do the oil change that I had asked them to do. It shouldn’t have been a big deal, but it was just another thing to do that I didn’t want to deal with. It put the wheels in motion in my mind that this wasn’t worth it anymore. I decided that it was time to make a change and with that, I sold it shortly before my 40th birthday.

There are days when I miss having it of course. But, on the whole I do think that my life is happier for having sold it. I’ve reclaimed a lot of my time and money and simplified my life.

Everything Must Go! (Okay, not everything)

Mrs. MFI actually led the charge in downsizing our stuff long before 2020. She got interested in the idea of decluttering your life and embarked on a “40 bags in 40 days” challenge. The challenge is to do just that: remove 40 bags of “stuff” from your house in 40 days. On the surface it sounds absurd, but even in our modest 1,500 square foot house she was able to accomplish the feat.

In the summer of 2020 Mrs. MFI and I both hopped on the idea of taking a hard look at our stuff and asking ourselves a variety of questions:

  • Why am I keeping this?
  • Have I used this in the last year?
  • Am I going to use this in the next year?
  • Is holding onto this thing making my life better?
  • If I get rid of it, could I rent or buy this again if needed?
  • When we go mobile, would I keep this?

With that in mind, we start to sell and give away a variety of stuff. We sold things on eBay. We sold things on FaceBook marketplace. We gave things away using our local buy nothing group (which is fantastic if you’ve never heard of it). Things that couldn’t be sold were given away to Goodwill. We sold 40+ things for $3,200 not including the Corvette in 2020!

Letting go of stuff is actually a really hard thing to do mentally at first. I think the longer that you own something, the easier that it is to become attached to it. It’s easy to fall into the trap of “I might need this someday” and default to holding onto something that you haven’t touched in years.

For that reason we kept it simple and started with the very easiest stuff that we were the least attached to mentally. As we got into the process of letting go I felt momentum building and I was able to let go of things more easily. There’s still plenty of harder choices in the future as we get closer to downsizing out of house but we’ll cross that bridge when we get there.

Impact Of Downsizing Our Lives

This shift in mindset from accumulation to downsizing and simplicity has really had a number of different benefits. Once you latch onto the idea that less is better, you become a lot more intentional with your spending. You really think about purchases and the necessity of them before bringing them into your life.

Time Saving

gold and white analog watch
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There are a number of ways where we’ve observed time savings from being more intentional about what we buy and also downsizing our stuff.

  • Research Time: The less you buy, the less time you spend researching online. I’ve also become less concerned with finding “the best” of everything and just choosing something that’s good enough.
  • Buying Time: The less you buy, the less time you spend and physically going to stores to buy, return and exchange things.
  • Maintaining Time: The less you own, the less there is to break and be maintained. I’m sure I saved at least a day a year of time getting rid of the Corvette. This is especially true of electronic things that have to be configured or break easily and mechanical things that require regular maintenance.
  • Upgrading Time: Once you “must” have something in your life it’s easy to either upgrade to the better thing or replacing it over time to keep up with trends. These days there’s no shortage of tech toys like this: computers, tablets, smart watches, Amazon Alexa/Google Home, smart home devices, vacuuming robots, electric cars, 4k TV’s and on and on and on. All of that takes lots of energy and time.
  • Disposal Time: Eventually everything must go. Whether it goes in the trash, must be recycled, is sold or is given away it all takes time. Everything that you bring into your life you’ll eventually have to spend time and energy to do something with it.

Speeding Our Path To Fi

A funny thing happens when you become more intentional with your spending because you don’t want to accumulate extra stuff. Your spending goes down! As I detailed here, we’ve dropped our spending progressively through the years on various spending categories. This is especially true of my shopping category which was $5,700 in 2018 and is on track to be $2,000 in 2021. If spending goes down then obviously saving and investing can go up.

Additionally, if you have some sweet stuff to sell in downsizing then you’re going to generate additional money that can be invested. Selling the corvette and all that stuff allowed me to stuff a huge extra chunk of money into our taxable brokerage account. Thanks to the crazy bull market I have some substantial unrealized gains from that car.

Quite the financial swing when you factor in all the money saved in maintenance, insurance and depreciation. I saved 44% on my insurance with dropping the corvette being a big part of that.

Lower Stress

This one is harder to quantify but I find that having less clutter around the house is just more relaxing. It’s easier to clean. There’s less to be put away or moved around. It’s easier to find the things that you do care about.

When you have less stuff there’s less to break or be maintained so my to-do list of things on a recurring basis has dropped as well. No more car Tetris!

Action Steps:

  • If you have a lot of clutter, consider doing a 40 bags in 40 days challenge. Challenges are a great way to get and keep you motivated.
  • If you have things packed up in boxes from the last time that you moved, start there. If they aren’t sentimental, why are you keeping them?
  • Walk around your house and look for things that you haven’t used in a year and don’t plan to use in the next year. Is this adding value to your life?
  • For clothes, try the reverse hangar trick to see what things you haven’t worn in a year to consider getting rid of them.

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